President Trump spawned a series of news stories calling him a liar when he said at an address to Congress in Joint Session that “the vast majority” of terrorists convicted for planning or carrying out terrorist attacks in the USA were “from outside of our country.” Here’s what he said (from the official WH transcript), with the key sentence highlighted:

Our obligation is to serve, protect, and defend the citizens of the United States. We are also taking strong measures to protect our Nation from Radical Islamic Terrorism.

According to data provided by the Department of Justice, the vast majority of individuals convicted for terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country. We have seen the attacks at home -– from Boston to San Bernardino to the Pentagon and yes, even the World Trade Center.

We have seen the attacks in France, in Belgium, in Germany and all over the world.

It is not compassionate, but reckless, to allow uncontrolled entry from places where proper vetting cannot occur. Those given the high honor of admission to the United States should support this country and love its people and its values.

We cannot allow a beachhead of terrorism to form inside America — we cannot allow our Nation to become a sanctuary for extremists.

Now, you might expect his political opponents to zero in on his prescriptions, but instead, they accused him of making up his facts.

In an “AP Fact Check,” AP reporters Calvin Woodward and Christopher Rugaber write:

THE FACTS: It’s unclear what Justice Department data he’s citing, but the most recent government information that has come out doesn’t back up his claim. Just over half the people Trump talks about were actually born in the United States, according to Homeland Security Department research revealed last week. That report said of 82 people the government determined were inspired by a foreign terrorist group to attempt or carry out an attack in the U.S., just over half were native-born citizens.

If they were making the claims about the same thing, they can’t both be telling the truth, right? And if they’re making the claims about different things, while the Associated (with terrorists) Press is asserting they’re addressing the same thing, then it’s the AP that’s lying, right?

But they’re not done calling Mr Trump a liar.

Even the attacks Trump singled out weren’t entirely the work of foreigners. Syed Rizwan Farook, who along with his Pakistani wife killed 14 people in the deadly 2015 attack in San Bernardino, California, was born in Chicago.

It’s true that in the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11, the FBI’s primary concern was with terrorists from overseas feared to be plotting attacks in the United States. But that’s no longer the case.

Now, we’re far afield from the supposed fact check, but today’s reporters just can’t get over themselves as opinion columnists, can they?

The FBI and the Justice Department have been preoccupied with violent extremists from inside the U.S. who are inspired by the calls to violence and mayhem of the Islamic State group.

Actually, that’s quite mistaken. For the eight years of the Obama Administration, the DOJ was preoccupied with the “right-wing terrorist extremists” from the list created as a fund-raising measure by the Southern Poverty Law Center, whose main objective is ensuring that Morris Dees and his heirs and assigns be towards the right side of the continuum on a line that begins with “Poverty” and ends with “Bill Gates.” So far, so good, as frightened donors have made Dees worth tens of millions.

Infidel! I keeeel you! I am native American terrorist — from Jeff’s workbench!

But you can’t keep the donors frightened unless the steel curtain of Fascism is ever descending on the United States. (And the whole racket would stop if said curtain ever actually arrived).

So, what else will they do to obfuscate the fact that their fact check has yet to produce contrary facts? Let’s try a little time travel, Associated (with terrorists) Press style.

The Justice Department has prosecuted scores of IS-related cases since 2014, and many of the defendants are U.S. citizens.

And note: they’re now comparing “since-2014” oranges to those “since-9/11” apples. Why would they do that?

Or they grow up to be reporters! And lie to their moms that they play piano in a whorehouse.

There are two possibilities. (1) They are so innumerate that they do not realize 2001 ≠ 2014. That sounds prima facie ridiculous, but we’ve known some reporters, and most of them couldn’t compute a 15% bar tip with the help of a staff of black ladies with slide rules. So, it’s possible. Or, (2), they do know 2001 ≠ 2014, and they’re trying to lie about whether the President lied.

The DHS document Woodward and Rugaber are going on about appears to be a draft leaked to the press by its author, a friend to the press, not the President. “Just over half of the people Trump talks about” were actually born in the United States, but what people did Mr Trump talk about? “individuals convicted for terrorism-related offenses since 9/11″. They are quoting a document addressing something different: “Individuals inspired by foreign terrorists,” and moreover, a document written, as we will see, by someone who didn’t even have a handle on the hundreds of terrorism prosecutions that have taken place in the last decade and a half.

Mr Trump did mention three incidents: Boston, San Berdardino and 9/11. Woodward and Rugaber seem to consider his claim invalidated by the fact that one of the 24 perpetrators identified in those crimes was native-born. In Associated (with terrorists) Press math, 23 out of 24 is not the vast majority. We don’t expect Woodhead and Rugburns or whatever to do the percents, so we will: in AP math, 95.8% is not “the vast majority”. (95.8333 repeating 3 for the pedants among you).

Oddly enough, though, the President was not working off the leaked phony-baloney memo written by some disloyal apparatchik trying to make him look bad, but from what he said he was: “data provided by the Department of Justice”.

Now, you probably think that it was unfair of the president to use DOJ data that was not available to the stalwarts of the press. Except, he didn’t. He used DOJ reports previously sent to Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Senator Ted Cruz in their capacity (in Sessions’s case, his previous capacity) as heads of relevant Senate committees. Which were so secret that they were posted on Sessions’s (now shut down) Senate website. On 13 January 2016. Where a reporter could have found it… if only the Associated Press had one.

Having downloaded it, being an actual reporter, Patrick Poole posted it today on Scribd. And now, we’re posting it here for your convenience (we got the file direct from Patrick’s Scribd):


Now, there are 580 terrorists and supporters — convicted ones, on that list; and that’s just cases that are final and not sealed through the end of 2014. The list doesn’t include a breakdown of who was native born and who was not, but other analysts (including Poole) have done the math, and behold! At least 380 of these 580 were just doing the terrorism Americans won’t do.

Patrick also found that one Subcommittee had broken it all down:

When the staff of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest examined the open-source data for the 580 cases, this is what they found:

Using this list, the Subcommittee conducted open-source research and determined that at least 380 of the 580 were foreign-born (71 were confirmed natural-born, and the remaining 129 are not known).  Of the 380 foreign-born, at least 24 were initially admitted to the United States as refugees, and at least 33 had overstayed their visas. Additionally, of those born abroad, at least 62 were from Pakistan, 28 were from Lebanon, 22 were Palestinian, 21 were from Somalia, 20 were from Yemen, 19 were from Iraq, 16 were from Jordan, 17 were from Egypt, and 10 were from Afghanistan.

So Trump is correct: 380 of 580 (65.5%, or just under 2/3) were in fact foreign born.

It is no mystery, contra the Associated Press, where this data came from. And as you can note, all of these cases involved Category I, II, and III terrorism offenses.

That notwithstanding, some in the media and terrorism industry began throwing out other terrorism numbers from a number of difference sources with no reference to the Justice Department data cited by President Trump…

Poole’s article deserves to have you Read The Whole Thing™.  Some of the reporters’ fearless beating of strawman piñatas has to be seen to be believed, including an appearance by an even-wronger-than-his-usual-wrong Thpenther Ackerman, the “military and defense” reporter and Internet Tough Guy™ who totes would have signed up sometime during the last 15+ years of war, if only he hadn’t been 4F on account of moral and physical cowardice. If you’re ever wondering whether Thpenther is lying, there’s a reliable tell: his lips move.

And he’s what a reporter is, in this Year of Our Lord 2017. So are the AP’s two fact-free fact checkers, Wooddud and Rugbugger, the Marquises of Mathlessness, the Khans of Confusion, the Imperators of Innumeracy.

Lord love a duck.

Exit thought: these are just terrorism cases. Boy howdy, if you could see the espionage and counterintelligence case statistics, which for obvious reasons are never going to see the light of day in our lifetimes, you’d see another whole cohort of immigrants (and asylees, and refugees, etc.) who ought not have been.

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17 thoughts on “How Many Foreign-Born Terrorists?

John M.

Hognose, this whole blog post is racist, Islamophobic, homophobic, and all-around deplorable and irredeemable. Haven’t you heard that merit is racist? Those AP reporters have as much of a right to their own alternative math as you do to yours.

I LOLed numerous times. The news media is more and more resembling a photo negative of the crankiest and least-informed parts of the cranky right wing during the Obama years.

-John M.


Not surprised at what the Progressive/Cosmo/Tranzi MSM will do support the per served and handed down Pravda.

Keep your powder dry and your faith in God.


>For the eight years of the Obama Administration, the DOJ was preoccupied with the “right-wing terrorist extremists”

Not just the Obama DO”J”. Didn’t you have a post about IIRC a recent “what if” article by some field-grade in the Small Wars Journal about Tea-Party armed/violent revolutionaries operating in the US? (The point being using the name of an actual US political movement as OPFOR.)

>repeating 3 for the pedants among you

Hmm. Should “anal-retentive” be hyphenated?

Bill Robbins

Hey, Mike: According to my proctologist, anal-retentive, when used as an adjective, should, indeed, be hyphenated. On the other hand, he advised that misplaced colons require immediate surgery.

As for this trumped-up media outrage about the alleged misuse of government figures about terrorists and terrorist acts committed on U.S. soil., we all know darn well what Trump means, and it’s as true as day. What’s more galling than the media keeping the public’s eye off the ball for the past eight years is that every single penny spent by the U.S. Government since 9/11 to “protect Americans” from “violent extremism” is a direct result of Islamic terrorists attacking, or threatening to attack, American interests. Every penny. Our tax dollars, hard at work, screwing our lives and draining our wallets for the sake of horribly damaging leftist NWO ideology. It’s enough to make me want to hyphenate.

Clarence Chen

The word “racist” gets thrown around too often. Now calling someone a racist isn’t even an insult, it’s just what the left calls people they don’t like. Same for all the other -phobes. Overuse of a word, like a drug, builds a tolerance.


I had a big rant on another blog today about my country being overrun by immigrants which has greatly contributed to driving up the price of housing. This is shitting me because I’m looking to buy a house. My attitude seems reasonable to me, but apparently that makes me a racist.

Some immigrant dick even had a go at me and essentially accused me of cowardice because he’d served in our armed forces and was therefore a better man than me. He was unaware of the fact that my total length of service as a grunt was longer than he’d been a citizen, so I took some small pleasure in correcting him.

The world is going mad.


So, I thought there weren’t any terrorist attacks during the last eight years? Now there were as I understand it. I’m so confused.


Thanks for fisking the AP’s B.S.

Like cleaning out the septic once in awhile, it’s a disagreeable task, but it has to be done.

It begs the greater question: “Can AP reporters actually read?”

Hognose Post author

It gets better. Had the news on PBS playing at 1100 as I looked for something for me n Small Dog to watch. PBS described the speech — and noted that unspecified “fact checkers” had called this claim false.

By 2300 tonight, they had to have known the AP fabrication had been debunked — and they still ran with it.

Boat Guy

OF COURSE they still ran with it – they’re all running off the same playbook.


It would be interesting to know the number, and age/sex breakdown, of “asylum seekers” and “refugees” admitted from the countries in question since 2001. Or just last year for that matter.

Boat Guy

I’d be willing to bet significant and valuable items that the majority of them can be described as

“Military Age Males”

I have some exposure to some of the “huddled masses” and that describes the VAST majority of them.


Olympic grade snark there Hognose. A true pleasure to read. I hope you don’t mind if I propagate (ie steal) the gems about the Marquises if Mathlessness et al?

Hognose Post author

Of course not. One writes to be read, after all


I am glad you are amenable to readers acquiring your ideas. I have used your rules of war of identity in both professional and personal contexts. “Splode-a-dope” and “sudden jihad syndrome” have also been coopted. I try to cite you when I can. You are usually described as “the SF guy with an awesome blog” to the uninitiated.


I was amazed and pleased to hear President Trump ( I love writing that!) say “Radical Islamic Terrorism”

And pause between each word

I have been saying for years that this is our enemy

Now that he has named it, perhaps we stand a chance of actually finding strategies to counter it


***And note: they’re now comparing “since-2014” oranges to those “since-9/11” apples. Why would they do that?***

Because the DOD Counter Intelligence Field Activity, the ONLY serious governmental effort at tracking terrorists, possible terrorists, former terrorists and those who fit the profile of demonstrated examples of the previous, ran only from 2002 to 2008 before it was put back under the thumb of the clerks and bean counters. During its fairly short life, it tracked terrorist methods and sops, socially networked their associates, and, most importantly, followed their associates and associations with those in the media, the government and the courts and law. If it;s ever found out just how meat-ax effectice CIFA was at its job, it just might be brought back into service, and all you have to do is note who was behind the organization’s demise to figure out why the Quisling media and others giving aid and comfort to our enemies doesn’t care for that idea one bit,