For American Voters

Normally we steer clear of politics here, or try to, but we thought the following infographic was informative and fair. (We’d have been ┬áharder on both candidates, in the color coding, but we certainly don’t have the ambition to trace their pronouncements and actions on gun laws back to the 1980s like these guys did). We found it on (Yeah, we’re buying more ammo. So sue us. They have a nice deal on M196 tracer for those of us dinosaurs who still put two in the bottom of our 20-round M16 mags — search the site, because the deal is better if you need a whole ammo can of the stuff).

For what it’s worth, we don’t see “botched” as the right word for the ATF’s gunwalking. They did exactly what they set out to do, upgun the Sinaloa Cartel. There are a bunch of reasons that was the wrong thing to do, many of which are so gobsmackingly obvious that nobody but the ATF ever thought about doing it. But it doesn’t seem like the gunwalking to violent criminals was an unintended consequence; the public learning about it was the unintended consequence, from the ATF, DOJ and probably White House point of view.We’d have coded that red, not yellow.

We’d also have coded the M1 import ban red, but do note the one factual error or oversight we saw in the graphic: the Administration ultimately backed off the ban with respect to the M1 Garand rifles, but it still considers the long obsolete M1 Carbine, a collector weapon that in average condition changes hands for more than a new AR-15, a “crime weapon” and bans its reimportation. That will probably take Congressional action to fix, as the bansters are well embedded in the career as well as the political-appointee ranks of ATF and State Department. (If the State Department ever accomplished anything positive for the USA, we’d sure like to be clued in).

Shooting Straight: A Surprising Look At How Both Presidential Candidates Have Changed On Gun Control [INFOGRAPHIC]

8 thoughts on “For American Voters

  1. Medic09

    Two tracers at the bottom of 20 rounds? I think you are older than a dinosaur! ;-) Unless my memory is totally off, we had 30 round magazines in the mid-80s in Israel. We never filled them. Only put in 26 or 28 rounds; and yes, with two tracers at the bottom, mission profile permitting. I even recall some local plastic magazines sometime before I was discharged in Feb. ’89. By comparison, the Galil had a reliable 30 round magazine that one could fill. Of course, they weighed much more than the M-16 magazines. But you could also use them as a bludgeon, if need be.

    1. Hognose Post author

      The Israeli plastic mag was the Orlite. In the 1970s and early 1980s, Special Forces was not the Army’s top priority. 20 round mag lasted in some units until quite recently (some guys prefer them for getting low in the prone. Also, many of the 30-round mags were very badly made.

      We never short-loaded magazines. In my opinion, that was a Vietnam era myth. If a mag malfunctions the right answer is to throw out the mag. Unfortunately that can be a hard sell to supply sergeants. “It says I gotta give you seven mags, it doesn’t say doo about them working.”

      1. Medic09

        That’s right, they were Orlites. Pretty embarrassing when you know Israeli accessories from my period better than I do. We short-loaded the aluminum magazines even when brand new. I seem to recall the *supposed* flaw was related to the spring effectively lifting and loading the last round or two. I never saw the 20 round magazines in my time between Aug. ’80 and Feb. ’89.

        Yaknow, someone might find it interesting if you did a post or two on magazines and drums. Their development and history, various uses, etc.

        1. Hognose Post author

          Good idea. I wonder if Israel got 30 round mags from the beginning, because I don’t think they ever had M16s until the Yom Kippur War. Or M60 tanks for that matter. That’s what we had, that’s what we airlifted to you guys. That, and tons of ammo and aircraft.

          If I were on the Israeli General Staff I’d be quite worried about the capabilities of the “front line states” as our “friends” at the UN call them, and how said capabilities had improved since ’73. (for example, could Egyptian and Syrian SAM capabilities deny the air bridge? Not to mention, can the US’s much smaller Air Force execute the air bridge, and does the US have stocks to transfer?) That was a near-run thing, October 1973. OTOH, Egypt and Syria are not going to be in any shape for external wars for a while. (They might be radical enough to start them, but they won’t be organized enough to avoid crushing defeat).

          The magazine post is a good idea. Months ago I started a post on M16 magazines and how they are to blame for a very large percentage of unreliable 16s (so are bubba’d-up non-name AR clones). I’ll be posting a brief video today with a short comment on maintenance and on magazines in the backward ban states.

  2. GBS

    Fortunately, a Republican-controlled House is all but assured. It should continue to be an effective firewall on most, if not all, anti-gun legislation. More worrisome is the Supreme Court situation should Obama be reelected, although who President Romney would want to put on the Court to replace a Justice Scalia or Kennedy is mystery.

    Indulge the Navy guy…why the two tracers?

    1. Hognose Post author

      Visual heads-up you’re going to be dry firing stat. Dry firing in a firefight is not habit-forming. In addition to the end-of-mag tracerss,leaders would usually carry a mag or two of all tracers to be used for designating targets for supporting fires. I found some orange anodized AR mags for this purpose. Mostly replaced by the IR laser now.

      I guess on USS Boat, you had some worries but running out of ammo was not one of them.

      1. GBS

        Interesting, and smh obvious now that you explain it.

        In the aircraft I flew, a single Harpoon and/or three Rockeye on the wing stations + Mk82s in the bomb bay were standard “fly around the AG” loadouts. Had their use been necessary, keeping track of what remained wouldn’t be as challenging as knowing how many rounds were in a rifle magazine.

        Ammo on a modern warship can be more of an issue than one might think. Although I believe many of the auto five-inchers on the cruisers and destroyers would fail before they ran out rounds, those Harpoon canisters and VLS systems can spit out rounds at an impressive rate when tasked. Reloading that stuff is a bit more difficult than pulling another magazine.

  3. Shorty

    Visual notification that you’re almost empty for when the adrenaline’s pumping and you forgot to count, or lost count, or didn’t count the number of shots you fired.

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