Hudson H9: Striker Fired 1911

Somewhere, the acolytes of the Order of the Browningian Brothers are digging through the corners of their monastic cells, finding and gathering sword and sandals, and embarking on a quest to lop off a head.

For at 0900 today, the latest profanation of the 1911 As JMB Wrought It hits the market, or at least, SHOT Show. The Hudson H9 has been teased a bit on the company website and at Recoil magazine that we can make some statements about what it is and what it isn’t.

It is, basically, a 1911 form factor frame, widened to accept a double-column, single-feed magazine, that may hold 20 rounds; the frame houses a trigger that moves straight back — As JMB Wrought It. Some of the pictures show a Glock-like trigger safety, albeit hinged at the bottom of the trigger…

….but the patent drawings show a very conventional 1911 style trigger and trigger bow. Likewise, the patents show an ambidextrous manual safety, ambi slide release, and a coventional 1911 grip safety. The prototypes show a manual safety on the left side only but an ambi slide release.

The weapon is easily taken down by a takedown catch that moves 90º. Prototypes are made of billet steel (slide) and CNC milled billet aluminum (frame). Production slides are machined from drop-forged blanks. Teaser images shown by Hudson show a 3D printed development dummy gun…

… and half-machined billet prototype frames.

Other teaser images were posted, challenging viewers to choose beauty or function… or both.

The pistol does indeed look like a kitbash of a Glock and a 1911. The slide looks like it escaped from one of Gaston’s sweatshops… apart from the “long face”:

And indeed, its most unconventional feature visually is its long face or deep chin, containing a patented recoil mechanism. The patent application for this feature is dense lawyerese, prolix and vague, and runs to 42 pages (an additional design patent is just a couple of pages), so it’s rather difficult to discern just what exactly they’re claiming (lawyers love this… it guarantees their guild lots of chances to run the meter).

The objective of the new recoil system, in which a groove in the barrel acts as a pivot point around a steel crossbar that is also the take-down latch, is apparently to reduce muzzle flip and allow the barrel to be seated lower in the firing hand than is possible with a conventional 1911 where the recoil mechanism is over the trigger rather than in front of it as in the H9. With that, and the weight of a fullsize pistol loaded with lots of rounds, the H9 could be just the ticket for speed shooters, guaranteeing fast follow up shots.

Hudson claims that test-firing validated this:

The first round left the chamber and with it all concern vanished. Thanks to the extremely low bore axis, the felt recoil and muzzle rise were virtually imperceptible. All the pieces had finally fallen into place.

That is a predictable result from a lowered bore axis, and it gibes with what users of other lowered-bore pistols like the Steyr and the Caracal (which is to be reintroduced at SHOT) have experienced.

We do note that the H9 exploded view from the patent…

… doesn’t match the disassembled shot Recoil posted, the more conventional barrel lugs of which suggest a more conventional locking arrangement.

In any event, the low bore axis of the H9 appears to be a reality.

We hope to update this post (and we hope we don’t have to correct it) once the reveal is made.

For more information:

Finally, Hudson’s Director of Training is well-known Ohio instructor Chris Cerino, a former cop and Air Marshal and a top competitor. Chris is facing a pretty tough challenge right now – cancer. And chemo’s kicking his ass. If you’re a former student, worked with him here or there, or want to drop him a word of support or encouragement, his family set up a Facebook page. Don’t expect an answer, because 100% of his energy has to go into beating the big C so that he can get back to a new normal. If you’re a praying man or woman, you know what to do.

Update

After the reveal, there’s more information on the Hudson Manufacturing website. We did have one error above, the basic mag holds 15 rounds (we thought the 20 rounds in the ammo box in one of the photos was A Clue®. Nope, it was A Prop®). Also, the manual safety is optional, and there’s no mention of a grip safety, even though the prototype and patent illustrations showed one.  Some excellent “upgrades” are standard on this gun including a Trijicon night front sight, G10 VZ grips and Hogue lower backstrap. Alas, no threaded barrel?

The list price is $1,147 and the H9 will be sold only through channels (jobbers, distributors). Here’s a quick table of specs (metric are our calculations from Hudson’s figures, rounded).

Specifications
MSRP:  $1,147.00
imperial metric
Overall Length (in/mm)
7.625 194
Overall Height (in/mm)
5.225 133
Overall Width (in/mm)
1.24 31
Barrel Length (in/mm)
4.28 109
Empty Weight oz/g
34 966
Trigger pull (lb/kg)
4.5 – 5 2.05 – 2.72
Trigger travel (in/mm)
0.115 3
Sight Radius
6.26 159

47 thoughts on “Hudson H9: Striker Fired 1911

  1. jim h

    I was initially with Clarence grabbing pitchforks and torches, but I’ve gotta admit, something about this makes me want to fire it before I burn down the makers for blasphemy. the second thought that occurred to me was that this thing looks a lot like a ruger sr9.

    this really does appear to be an interesting invention. I like that low profile, and there’s also a sizeable bit of metal hanging directly in front of the trigger to house the recoil group, which probably makes for some good shooting ergonomics.

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  2. Tom Stone

    I like the grip angle, the low bore axis and if it has a trigger close to the quality of a good 1911 that would be a huge plus.
    The extractor looks interesting, it certainly seems generous.
    That said, I’m a denizen of California and the odds of my having a chance to try one are on a par with winning the lottery.
    I’m in the process of designing a rubber band powered hand held version of the puckle gun that will fire square silver bullets as a way to deal with the transgendered vampires that currently run the state.
    You have no idea how hard it is to find fair trade gluten free rubber bands at a reasonable cost…

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      1. James

        Tom,before it becomes illegal willing to send you a bag of “real”rubber bands to help US citizens behind the lines in Cali.

        As for the lopping of heads,eh,let em make what they want,doesn’t mean folks will buy em.

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  3. Al T.

    Huh. I’m actually interested. I pretty much got away from the hardware and more into the software a few years back, settled on a flock of Glock for pew-pew launching. Blue Label pricing pretty much drove that train. But, like the Bren-Ten, wonder what the magazines will cost?

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  4. Brad

    You beat The Firearm Blog to the punch.

    As for the H9? +1 for low boreline without sacrificing natural grip angle, -1 for presumably fat grip to fit double-column magazine.

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    1. Hognose Post author

      Their guys may have been honoring an embargo. I was not in direct contact with Hudson. (If I am asked to embargo information, I do; it’s a courtesy anyone sharing confidential info deserves).

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  5. TRX

    [stares at pictures and drawings]

    I don’t see any “1911” there. It’s a Glockalike with a steel frame.

    “Nothing to see here, move along.”

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  6. Bert

    “Who is John Golt?”

    (Glock + Colt = Golt)

    Well… If I could get my hands on one, I would shoot it. Lowered bore is one of the things that make love the H&K P7, along with the fact that most people who might be try to shoot me with my own weapon couldn’t figure out HOW quickly enough.

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  7. Trone Abeetin

    It looks pretty slick to me. I won’t rush to judgement. I’d love to shoot it.
    Here’s to the onward march of technological improvement! Or, not, either way, these are exciting times bros and sis’s.

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  8. Cap'n Mike

    My first impression was, looks cool.
    I at first assumed there was a light or laser mounted in the long face dust cover.
    I wonder what the weight is on that straight back striker fired trigger?

    Charlie slides into the passenger seat and says too Roop as he takes the wheel…
    “You’re blaspheming again. I don’t have to work with a blasphemer.”

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  10. Chris

    Yawn. New firearms are so derivative.

    When will something at least mildly exciting come out? Maybe an integrally mounted optical sight on a pistol? Consider how carefully you must align your eye to see the point of aim with conventional sights. An optical sight with a glass the size of a nickle would be much faster and could be built into the slide.

    Or maybe a Merrill 11 mm, feeding from a solid clip of ammunition, someday to be the darling of the Freehold of Grainne?

    But the only exciting thing that could come from the current derivative stream of firearms would be an exceedingly high quality at an exceedingly low price.

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  11. Nynemillameetuh

    Keep the Glock dingus and delete the grip safety. I want to be counted amongst the beta testers, err, early adopters of this nifty pistol.

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  12. Trigger

    Looking at the measured drawings and photographs on the website Specs page, it is promising, but I have concerns.

    -The measured 3-view shows a width of 1.24″ across the slide, and does not include the grips in the image. A slide that wide will be a brick. My guess is the measurement is wrong. It does not appear to be roughly four times the pistol height (5.225″ tall), it appears to be five times pistol height tall. This would lead to a slide width of roughly 1″, and a total width including grip panels of 1.24″ as noted.

    -A frame of 1.24″ width will grip like a square brick. I trust the frame is actually 1″ in width. That assumed, most double-stack 1911s have large square frames, because they are designed around a 1911 double column magazine. I’m really curious about the magazine design. If it is a 9mm magazine (think BHP or CZ-75) then it will have a nice manageable grip size. If it is designed around a 40 S&W magazine size (Think CZ Tac Sport, EAA Witness) then it will have a large grip size. If it is built around a 1911 .45 double column magazine (Think Para Ordnance or STI/SVI) then it will have a really bulky grip size. Add on the G-10 VZ grips and it will be even bigger. Looking at the drawings, I’m guessing option 1, the BHP/CZ-75 sized 9mm magazine.

    -Part of the appeal of a hammer fired pistol is that part of the slide impulse energy is absorbed through cocking the hammer. This action does not act upon the slide when it closes, thus two springs to compress when slide opens, one spring to return slide to battery. This gives the hammer fired gun a slightly softer recoil cycle compared to a pure striker fired gun (XD, XD-M, Glock, M&P, etc…). I’m interested to see how this new recoil system changes the recoil cycle of a striker fired pistol.

    -A striker fired pistol can have a faster lock time than a hammer fired pistol, all things being equal. I’m interested to see how the changes to the locking block, barrel dwell time and striker design add up in terms of pistol accuracy.

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  13. Trigger

    I’m still waiting for a manufacturer to introduce a designed from the ground up pistol for a non-reciprocating red-dot sight.

    Front half of slide covering barrel is fixed, rear half / lower half cycles the action. The fixed portion is where you mount the red dot. No covered bridge mounts required. Slick, low, fixed. Easy to track through recoil cycle.

    Still Waiting

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  14. Dyspeptic Gunsmith

    “Striker-fire 1911…”

    That’s an oxymoron right there. If it’s striker-fired, it ain’t a 1911, regardless of what the grip and trigger look like. It will likely not have a trigger as nice as what can be made to happen on a Series 70 1911, and the lack of a grip safety is a deficiency, not an asset, IMO.

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      1. Hognose Post author

        It was a fad in the 1980s and the justification was that if you were wounded and had to take an ate-up grip on the gun, it would still work. In 80s gun mags it was very common on custom 1911s. I dunno who was pushing it, might have been Cooper or Hackathorn? But it was a sort of phase that practical shooters went through, pinning the 1911 grip safety. At the same time, they’d remove things like the mag safety in some Hi-Powers, and the mag brake in early CZ-75s.

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    1. Gray

      As someone who primarily views all martial items as tools, and knowing that I could buy 3 Austrians (that will invariably/reliably shoot 1 MOA, (“A” being qualitatively descriptive of the target) for the price of one of these, it makes me disinterested except as a curiosity.

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  15. Keith

    And you lost me when I saw the price too. I’ll stick with my 25 year old Springfield Armory Military Model thank you.

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